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 The Laboratorium says that it unequivocally  violates The Federal Policy for the Protection of Human Subjects, that it passed an IRB (!!!), and that it was funded with Federal money.   Why did it pass?  “on the grounds that Facebook filters user news feeds all the time, per the agreement.”

Date: 2014-06-29 08:08 pm (UTC)
julian: Picture of the sign for Julian Street. (Default)
From: [personal profile] julian
I'm confused on how it can violate the Federal policy and yet pass an IRB. This is clearly me failing to grasp intricacies of procedure, though.

Date: 2014-06-29 08:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rydra_wong
Because the IRB defined it as "a pre-existing dataset". Basically, analyzing data that is already out there doesn't require the amount of approval as doing new experiments.

*bangs head repeatedly against desk*

It was an experimental study. The abstract repeatedly calls it an experiment. They manipulated the news feed to see if it produced effects, some of which they knew had the potential to be harmful. There is no meaningful sense in which the data they're describing (as "experimental evidence") existed prior to the experiment. It would not have been the same without the experimental intervention.

WORDS HAVE MEANINGS.

Date: 2014-06-30 08:21 am (UTC)
rydra_wong: Text: BAD BRAIN DAY. Picture: Azula, having one. (a:tla -- bad brain day)
From: [personal profile] rydra_wong
And something where it would be reasonable to expect that many/most people would refuse consent if given the choice.

Date: 2014-06-29 10:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rachelmanija
That would only be the case if they sifted users' feeds for coincidental levels of depressing/cheerful material, then correlated it with users' subsequent stated moods. That study would have been ethical and involved a pre-existing data set.

I hope an independent review board audits Cornell's IRB. That study clearly violates ethical guidelines on human experimentation, and should not have been approved.

One key factor in informed consent is that you can't just say, "By signing this paper you agree to take part in a study." You have to be told what the study is, and what the potential risks are.

In this particular case, they were trying to see if they could lower people's mood. That is a clear risk factor for people with depression (or other mental illnesses), and possibly for anyone. But no one was told that they were participating in a study which could lower their mood and possibly exacerbate depression. Nor were depressed people screened out.

In the unusual instances in which the experiment would be ruined if people knew too many details in advance, the requirements for "no danger of harm" are much higher, and people must be individually debriefed and explained what the experiment actually is about immediately afterward.

I mean, they'll probably get away with this because they're a powerful corporate entity. But they shouldn't.

When I was involved in a study where all I did to the subjects was interview them (admittedly on the topic of trauma they'd already gone through), I had to walk them through an 11-page consent form explaining exactly what the study was about, what their rights were, what the risks were, etc, before they agreed to take part. And that was a purely observational study. We weren't doing anything to them intended to affect them at all.

Date: 2014-06-29 11:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rachelmanija
Interesting.

It's true that all advertising is intended to affect unsuspecting people. What I find disturbing is that the rules of a largely unregulated field (advertising) have been applied to an extremely tightly regulated field (human experimentation.)

While it's philosophically true that advertising does experiment-like things, the reason human experimentation by actual scientists is tightly regulated is that it has an absolutely horrific history of abuse - abuse that is not the same as whatever harm has been done by advertising. So it's disturbing to see IRBs apply advertising rules to human experimentation.

I hate to bring up Nazis and I am in no way saying that Facebook is Hitler, but I think one reason people find this viscerally disturbing is that a big part of the reason for IRBs is, in fact, Nazis. And the Tuskegee syphilis experiment. Etc. Unregulated human experimentation has a history of horrific violations that unregulated advertising doesn't. (Cigarette advertising is harmful and misleading and causes many deaths (and so is often regulated) but doesn't quite hit the subjective horror level of Nazis.)

Date: 2014-06-29 11:29 pm (UTC)
rachelmanija: (Default)
From: [personal profile] rachelmanija
No, that's a very real factor. There's no obvious way people could be harmed by seeing aquariums or by being influenced to post on fish. There is an extremely real risk of potentially lethal harm by deliberately attempting to lower people's mood.

I wonder if anyone has access to the list of people who were on the "lower mood" group. If any of them committed suicide, attempted suicide, were hospitalized for depression, etc... well, it would be impossible to prove that it was caused by the experiment. But depending on how big the two groups were, it might be possible to get a result like 0.5% of the "low mood" group had [x negative occurrance in time frame] vs. 0.1% of "high mood" group and 0.2% of control group.

Date: 2014-06-30 07:51 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rydra_wong
I wonder if anyone has access to the list of people who were on the "lower mood" group. If any of them committed suicide, attempted suicide, were hospitalized for depression, etc... well, it would be impossible to prove that it was caused by the experiment.

Also, unless those people happened to post about it publicly on Facebook, it'd be impossible to find out. Short of tracking down circa 300,000 people IRL and trying to find out their private medical details.

I mean, it's a set-up where any severe negative outcomes for experimental participants are going to be nicely hidden. Which I suspect the experimenters would not regard as a problem.

The only chance of it coming out now would be if people who had bad mood events in January 2012 and read about the study come forewards. And even then, there's no way -- AFAIK -- for people to find out if they were in the study or not.

(This gets creepier and creepier the more I think about it.)

But I really hope some angry people get lawyered up.

Date: 2014-06-30 06:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rachelmanija
No, I meant that you could literally look at their Facebook posts. You'd miss anything that wasn't posted on Facebook, but that sort of thing often is. If anyone went through the data, they could get the sort of percentage breakdown I suggested above. Facebook would be able to access that data, because it's the exact same stuff they used to monitor whether people were putting up happy or sad posts.

Your point still completely stands, of course.

Date: 2014-06-29 10:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rachelmanija
IIRC, the Department of Health and Human Services. And the FDA, if drugs or other medical issues are involved. Though I think there are often some intermediate steps between the IRB and HHS that depend on the individual study, its location, etc.

Date: 2014-06-30 05:18 am (UTC)
julian: Picture of the sign for Julian Street. (Default)
From: [personal profile] julian
I find myself wanting to chant "Informed consent!" all over the place on this one, yes.

Date: 2014-06-30 09:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kore
HAH that is awesome.

Date: 2014-07-02 05:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lnhammer
Bwah!
Edited (cranky icon is cranky) Date: 2014-07-02 05:43 pm (UTC)

Date: 2014-06-30 12:07 am (UTC)
meara: (Default)
From: [personal profile] meara
Yeah, that is a seriously shitty IRB. I mean, damn.

Date: 2014-06-29 09:00 pm (UTC)
ithiliana: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ithiliana
In my IRB experience, pre-existing datasets are usually defined as data already collected and stored by someone else, not the "past" data you collected before getting IRB approval.

*grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr*

Date: 2014-07-08 06:31 pm (UTC)
ithiliana: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ithiliana
Wow, fantastic piece--thanks! Am saving for a future digital humanities course.

Date: 2014-07-08 06:25 pm (UTC)
ithiliana: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ithiliana
Sorry, have been so swamped.

At my university, if a faculty member is doing a collaborative research project with people off campus, they have to go through our training and meet our standards for IRB approval, whether they're lead or not.

See, the thing is, that different IRB committees can interpret Federal law and guidelines differently.

Now that the data is collected (and presumably archived? and available to others?), one might argue it's an existing collection.

I wouldn't touch it, but then I have issues with FB on many levels.

The whole internet, human subjects, privacy, consent, etc. etc. etc. is still in flux at the moment.

Date: 2014-06-29 08:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] neotoma
Since IRBs are usually based at the institutes doing human research, it's those institutes that are suspect. Basically, I think someone is playing fast and loose with the rules to further their institutes' research goals.

Date: 2014-06-29 08:39 pm (UTC)
neotoma: Neotoma albigula, the white-throated woodrat! [default icon] (Default)
From: [personal profile] neotoma
...Facebook's news feeds are built on what the user selects, aren't they?

Since the researchers apparently manipulated the news feeds, instead of just observing them, that seems pretty suspect to me.

Date: 2014-06-30 05:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thebrokenspokeblog.wordpress.com
Hey, thanks for the link. Thought you'd like to know that now Cornell has scrubbed the "we're funded by the military" bit from its press release, and another source is saying it was "only internal review," not an IRB. Cornell hasn't confirmed or denied being the IRB; Fiske isn't commenting on whether or not she was mislead.

It's a giant clusterfuck of information; I'm sure Forbes'll have another theory posted by the end of the day. :-|

Date: 2014-06-30 08:29 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ankaret
My dentist manipulates my teeth all the time, but I'd still be outraged if she turned out to be experimenting with giving me more dental pain than usual.

I don't do Facebook, but I don't think the 'what did you expect' commenters are helping their own cause much. Congratulating yourself on being clever enough to avoid a lion in the road because you work from home is no consolation to people who have been mauled and doesn't do anything about the problem that THE ROAD IS FULL OF A LION.

Er, I seem to be full of metaphors this morning. Sorry.

Date: 2014-06-29 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nagasvoice.livejournal.com
I'm wondering if folks like Electronic Freedom Foundation, ACLU and other various civil rights groups might be concerned about this too.

Date: 2014-06-29 08:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mme-hardy.livejournal.com
I'd expect some of the big-name privacy researchers to weigh in. Maybe Gene Spafford?

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